guest: the ann romney bill, mass. health reform -- the romney bill, mass. health insurance, and said we need to expand health insurance by making sure everybody has health insurance, and once that is in place, we will start looking at the cost of health care. the discussion came out because there is a theory that health- care costs are a two-headed beast. we have this enormously growing health-care industry, and costs are rising. people are living longer. the care that we get down is really expensive. mri machines, arthroscopes -- all of the other things that you expect when you go in with a headache, you want somebody to do a scan of your brain instead of just telling you to take two aspirin. so, there is a massive increase in health care cost that is eating up more and more of our government's budget. at the same time, there is a growing number of people that are uninsured. it could be one in the same. they could not afford the insurance because the health- care costs so much, insurance costs so much, but for whatever reason, people are not insured. romne